I talked to one engineer who helped design the wing tips on the new 747-400.
He said with all the tests they ran the best wing tip ended up not sticking
straight up but flat with the wing,
I.E. longer wingspan. Same goes for
flying wings. As he told me wingtips are a quick fix for a poor wing design.
From : Don Stackhouse
This is basically true. Burt Rutan's comment on the subject was that a 3'
high winglet has about the same effect on wing efficiency as a 2' increase
in span, but it has the same effect on wing root bending moment as a 1'
increase in span. Theoretically this means that some savings in the weight
of the wing spar is possible, but this will only be realized if the wing
spar design is optimized perfectly to begin with, which also requires that
the mission be so well defined that the load spectrum the wing spar sees
can be PRECISELY determined. In my experience, for the vast majority of
model designs these requirements are almost never met.
However, the one place where winglets do seem to make sense is where the
induced losses can be expected to be fairly high (so that there is enough
energy to be harvested that you stand a reasonable chance of gaining more
than the winglets themselves are costing in drag), AND where you have to
put some vertical surfaces anyway, AND where the longitudinal moment arm of
the vertical surfaces will be about the same whether they are used for
winglets or not. As you can see, this is a fairly restrictive set of
requirements, and fits well with your friend at Boeing's comments. Yes,
winglets are not generally a good idea for most applications. However, I
think that the specifics of Neil's application fit the above guidelines
reasonably well.
In Neil's case, we're dealing with a very low aspect ratio design with zero
taper, probably a wonderful example of what your friend calls "a poor wing
design". Before we get too harsh with Neil's design, however, let's
remember your other comment:
Also, you are flying a 1/8th scale model in FULL scale air and the rules
change from full size aircraft.
What you're referring to is the effects of Reynolds number ("Re"). On very
slow and small aircraft (such as Neil's application) it becomes one of the
dominant factors in the design. For example, I looked at one of the more
popular R/C sailplane airfoils a while back. Between Re = 120K and Re =
80K, the drag coefficient doubled. It doubled again between Re = 80K and Re
= 60K! As size and speed goes down, you either have to reduce aspect ratio
in a desperate attempt to keep Re up to something reasonable, or else you
have to be VERY good at low-Re airfoil design. That second one usually
requires a lifetime or so of study in that specific field to be any good at
it, since most of what's in the textbooks becomes wrong at Re's below about
80K - 100K (guess how I know!). Most of the software becomes VERY subject
to interpretation in that realm as well, to the point that your experience
with your particular software and your ability to interpret its results at
low Re becomes much more important than the raw accuracy of the software
itself. In Neil's case, his extremely low aspect ratio and lack of taper
helps keep the Re's up to a reasonable level. Whether or not his particular
wing dimensions are an overcompensation for the low Re problem is open for
discussion. Personally I don't feel we have enough data and analysis of
this specific case at this point to form a valid opinion one way or the
other. There are a lot of factors to consider, and many of them don't have
anything to do with aerodynamics. It's very dangerous to jump to any
conclusions about someone else's design, unless you thoroughly understand
WHY the designer made each decision in that design.
We are just playing with model airplanes and my fix would be to put 1 rudder
on it and fly it. Any ways 1 rudder in the middle has advantages, LESS
BUILDING, easier to mount, takes less time to cover, less weight at wing
tips for better roll control, HARDER to knock off, and you probably will not
know the difference.
Good points, to which I'd add that a single fin will have a better span
and/or better Re's than dividing up that same area between two separate
surfaces. As far as easier to mount, that depends on the details of the
structure at the center section and the tips, that issue could fall either
way. However, in Neil's case, the relatively low speed and high span
loading says that there is a good chance of harvesting enough energy from
the tip vortices to at least break even on the drag of his vertical
surfaces. A central fin will add the fin's drag to the induced losses.
Whether we say it's because of a "poor wing design" or not (and that's
subject to debate, we have not analysed all the facets of Neil's design in
sufficient depth at this point to for a valid opinion one way or the other
at this time), the fact is that this particular case may be one of the the
exceptions where winglets are an advantage. Note, if Neil was using a
conventional tail on a conventional moment arm (like most of the designs
your friend at Boeing is probably used to working on), I would probably
feel differently. It's just that in this case, as long as Neil has to
install some vertical surfaces anyway, he might as well use them to help
with the induced drag problems as well.
If you are worried about which will be better just build 2 models with 2
different rudder configurations.
Very good point. If I was doing this design myself, I'd probably at least
analyse both in-depth, and if there was still any question in my mind I
would probably build and test both. If you visit the "Ask Joe and Don"
section of our website, you can read an article in the "Design" category on
the merits of kits vs. scratch building. The bottom line is that if you
want something to fly, build a good kit. If you want the experience of
developing something, where experiencing the development process for its
own sake is your goal, then scratch build an original design. Just don't
expect the first prototype to meet all your design goals. That usually
requires going through several airframes and a bunch of mods, if your
standards are very high at all. In my case, I just happen to be interested
in the design and development process for its own sake, and I've been lucky
enough to develop a full-time job for myself that involves doing exactly
that. Trust me though, it's not easy, and it's not for everybody.
BTW, I am designing a new airplane and I need to know what is a good
airfoil.
This question is impossible to answer. It's like asking what the best shoe
size is, without supplying any context for that question. It all depends on
the size and shape of your foot ... er ... your airplane and its mission
profile. Yes, there are shoes that don't fit anyone's feet well, just as
there are airfoils that don't work well on any airplane. There are shoes
that are good for playing basketball that would not be good for playing
baseball or for getting married in. The shoe/airfoil must be matched to the
mission and to the requirements of the foot/wing they're to be used on.
However, just as Nike and Adidas both make good basketball shoes, in all
probability there are a number of airfoils that can be made to do
reasonably well on your design. It is also almost inevitable that the best
airfoil(s) for one part of the operating envelope will not be the same as
the best ones for a different portion, and that the best airfoil(s) for the
root will not be the same as in the midsection of the wing or at the tip.
If you want to do it right, the airfoils are just a few of the parameters
in the overall wing design, and usually not the controlling ones. When I
design a new wing, the final airfoil designs are usually among the LAST
things to be determined. Only in the context of the local airflow and lift
requirements along the wing and the global interactions between the
different wing segments over the entire mission profile can you determine
the appropriate airfoil requirements. Just about anything can be made to
fly, but if you want to consistently be able to fly WELL, you'd better be
prepaed to do your homework!
Don Stackhouse
DJ Aerotech
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